[BNM] Video Editing & HTTP Streaming Software

[Chris Adams]

Cheers for the full explanation on that - I have more info at the tips of my
fingertips now, even if I don't confess to fully understanding it!
Appreciated though.
Chris

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[mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of Grant Turner
Sent: 23 January 2008 17:13
To: Brighton New Media
Subject: Re: [BNM] Video Editing & HTTP Streaming Software

Technically this isn't http streaming. Http streaming is when files are
delivered via http from a streaming server, commonly to allow files to
be streamed through firewalls etc as http is generally allowed on port
80. With files streamed via Windows Media Services over http, they won't
end up in the users' temp internet files either, unlike progressive
download.

Windows Media Services (the streaming server part of Windows Server)
uses 'protocol rollover, trying rtsp (UDP and TCP) before trying http as
a last resort. MS have stopped using mms as a streaming delivery
protocol, but still recommend its use at the start of urls as other
players (e.g. Real Player) can end up as the default player for rtsp
streams, and nobody wants that, do they?

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[mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Adams
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:12 PM
To: 'Brighton New Media'
Subject: Re: [BNM] Video Editing & HTTP Streaming Software

Definitely Progressive (is this also known as http streaming or am I
barking
up the wrong tree?)is what is required as the feature is only a minor
part
of the website's functionality - an add-on more than a major feature.
The
number and sizes of video file will be limited too - so it is unlikely
that
bandwidth would be too much of an issue.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of Grant Turner
Sent: 23 January 2008 13:31
To: Brighton New Media
Subject: Re: [BNM] Video Editing & HTTP Streaming Software

Correct - progressive download allows the video to start playing once an
amount has been downloaded. Has the advantage that it can be served from
a web server. Disadvantages include wasted bandwidth - a user may have a
fast connection that downloads a complete clip, regardless of the fact
that the user may only view 25% of the clip. Apparently IIS7 takes this
into account, and will allow you to specify a max bitrate that a video
file can be 'progressively downloaded', thus limiting wasted bandwidth.
Also a disad is the fact that you can only jump to a portion of the clip
that has been downloaded, as is the fact that the video clip will end up
on the user's hard drive, whereas with a streaming file it won't (a
problem for some clients, not for others).

Another advantage in streaming's favour is the usage stats that can be
collected from streaming server logs. But yes, it's a more expensive way
of delivering video.

At the risk of repeating myself, it depends on what the client wants as
to how you proceed.

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[mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of JOHN COOPER
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:18 PM
To: Brighton New Media
Subject: Re: [BNM] Video Editing & HTTP Streaming Software

how about brightcove, or for a local twist doesn't  showmedo have a  
pro version although not sure thats a streaming service think it might  
be progressive - ian ozsvald is the man to speak to
If i remember by video stuff correctly
progressive is a video that starts playing when an amount has been  
preloaded
streaming allows you to jump to any part of a video, the video will  
then immediately-ish start playing from there

progressive can be hosted on any server - cheap
streaming requires a streaming server -  expensive

john c


On 23 Jan 2008, at 12:12, Grant Turner wrote:

>> try the Adobe Premiere Element first
>
> Good suggestion. The full version of Premiere may well be overkill in
> the first instance. There's a fully functional 30 demo available from
> Adobe if you want to take a look.
>
>> Youtube
>
> Depends if the client is happy to have a video on their site that  
> looks
> like it's being hosted on YouTube. If you ask me, having YouTube  
> branded
> on your embedded video lacks a little professionalism in my opinion.
> Absolutely fine for the average user, but not for business.
>
> Unless I'm missing something when it comes to using YouTube as a video
> host? Has the visual quality of YouTube videos become acceptable? I
> wouldn't really know as I've hardly looked at it in well over a year,
> apart from when mates come round and insist on showing me the funniest
> thing they've ever seen on the internet, and I have to try and ignore
> the hideous encoding etc.
>
> It's the downside of working in streaming media - so much of the video
> available on t'internet looks shite. As I'm sure do many websites to  
> all
> the web designers / developers.
>
> Grant
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org
> [mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of JOHN COOPER
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:12 AM
> To: Brighton New Media
> Subject: Re: [BNM] Video Editing & HTTP Streaming Software
>
> I'm wondering if Premiere would be overkill
> try the Adobe Premiere Element first (free download from the adobe  
> site)
> or for shorter clips have a go with premier express for online video
> editing
> http://www.adobe.com/products/premiereexpress/
> Youtube : Log in - click on Try Remixer
> you've then got your hosting already sorted - or grab a greasemonkey
> script to download the FLV from youtube
>
> if your on a mac then stick with iMovie
> on windows, there's the movie editor (sorry can't remember what it's
> called).
> Funny enough using the most basic editor will keep your video editing
> simple
> then to convert to flv, sorenson is good and simple to use, Canopus'
> ProEncoder has also been recommended
> www.canopus.com/products/ProCoderSW/
>
>
>
> John C
>
>
>
> On 23 Jan 2008, at 10:59, Grant Turner wrote:
>
>> Adobe Premiere
>
> John Cooper
>
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