[BNM] [OT] Brighton's nuclear power station?

paul perrin paul at idltd.com
Thu May 24 16:05:42 BST 2007 

What makes you think that the motivated kids will drag the others up to
their level, rather than the unmotivated kids dragging the others down to
theirs (Longhill is already suffering from the arts collage closing - and it
shows signs of getting far worse).

You seem to be suggesting that the parents are the problem (which I think is
probably true) - but if this is the case, then you need to sort the parents
out, changing a childs school is just re-arranging deckchairs to the
detriment of the motivated children.

Paul /)/+)

On 24/05/07, Alan Newman <alan at sensibledevelopment.com> wrote:
>
> >>> You'll have to explain how changing the schools that children go to
> improves standards, cos that doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> <sweeping generalizations>
>
> Well, generally, if you have all the middle class children (ie. The ones
> who
> parents motivate and spend extra time educating at home and helping with
> homework) going to the same schools and the underprivileged going to the
> same but different schools you end up with the schools with all the
> motivated kids getting "better" and other schools underperforming.
>
> Therefore, if you spread the talent around, peer group learning enables
> the
> general standard of all the schools to get better.
>
> </sweeping generalizations>
>
> It is the same reason why the Tories have now pulled back on their grammar
> school mandate - they now understand that education forms opportunities in
> life. The better the general education is for everyone the more people
> have
> *opportunity*. If you restrict grammar education to those privileged few
> then *the rest* are not exposed to those opportunities.
>
> - Alan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org
> [mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of paul perrin
> Sent: 24 May 2007 15:29
> To: Brighton New Media
> Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Brighton's nuclear power station?
>
> You'll have to explain how changing the schools that children go to
> improves
> standards, cos that doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> Paul /)/+)
>
>
> On 24/05/07, Alan Newman <alan at sensibledevelopment.com> wrote:
> >
> > By definition the councilors represent the people. If they are worried
> > about
> > winning votes then that means they are worried about the needs of their
> > ward....ergo if they satisfy their constituents then they keep their
> seat.
> >
> > Just because you vote green it doesn't mean you don't want you children
> > educated as well.
> >
> > The policy works very well for all those that live in the centre of
> town.
> > All (other than Cardinal Newman and Dorothy Stringer) the secondary
> > schools
> > are on the periphery of the city....we all have to travel to get our
> kids
> > to
> > school.
> >
> > What this policy actually does is improve the standard of all the
> schools
> > as
> > it breaks up the clusters of the middle class children who all attend
> the
> > same school by dint of their living in the "right area".
> >
> > It's a pretty reasonable policy**...suffice to say, what the council
> > should
> > really be doing is actually building another school (to replace the one
> > the
> > government shutdown) and to also match all this development of property
> in
> > the city (but that is another debate altogether).
> >
> > ** yes, I do appreciate that it means not all children go their local
> > school...but there is only one central school without religious leaning
> in
> > the city.
> >
> > - Alan
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org
> > [mailto:bnmlist-bounces at brightonnewmedia.org] On Behalf Of paul perrin
> > Sent: 24 May 2007 14:34
> > To: Brighton New Media
> > Subject: Re: [BNM] [OT] Brighton's nuclear power station?
> >
> > Either way - the councellor voted that way to keep the seat - so
> althought
> > the voters appeared green enough to vote green, they aparantly weren't
> > green
> > enough to actually be inconvenienced by any green principals.
> >
> > I don''t think nuclear is really a green issue - most of the
> anti-nuclear
> > mob are the same underclass that jump on any band waggon that allows
> them
> > to
> > complain about everyone else. So they have jumped on both the green and
> > anti-nuck bandwaggons and got the issues a bit confused.
> >
> > I think nuclear power is fine in principal, I just don't trust anyone to
> > run
> > it.
> >
> > Paul /)/+)
> >
> > On 24/05/07, Nick Taylor <nick at tangerineworks.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not talking about the politicians, I'm talking about the people.
> > >
> > >
> > > > As the (supposed) greens voted in favour of school catchment areas
> > that
> > > > would reduce the possibilities for children to walk to school (and
> so
> > > have
> > > > to be driven) I think it is safe to assume that (like pretty much
> all
> > > > politicians) they will do whatever suits their individual personal
> > > interest
> > > > rather than any greater good.
> > > >
> > > > Paul /)/+)
> > > >
> > > > On 24/05/07, Nick Taylor <nick at tangerineworks.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> That'll be the same Brighton where the Green Party gets about 20%
> of
> > > the
> > > >> vote?
> > > >>
> > > >> Can't see that being very popular - in fact if I was a conspiracy
> > nut,
> > > >> I'd say that whoever proposed it was deliberately trying to scupper
> > > >> their own plans. There is nowhere in the entire country (apart
> maybe
> > > the
> > > >> middle of London) where it would cause less fuss.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Front page of the guardian today.
> > > >>> http://environment.guardian.co.uk/energy/story/0,,2086815,00.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>> "[...] the DTI has been advised that the sites of conventional
> power
> > > >>> stations in the Midlands, the south coast near Brighton, and near
> > > >> Bristol
> > > >>> could become available [...]"
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Add radioactive seagull droppings[1], and Brighton just gets
> better
> > ;)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> FWIW i'm not necessarily against nuclear power, just... NIMBY.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> cheers,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> iestyn
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [1]http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3220
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